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Don-Sevak
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If you support HHc, go to Armenia and support them over there, what are you doing in the USA, go with those others brianless sympatisants, and support him while he's reading a book and drinking a Scoth while your getting shot at.
I read your post, and no one ever on this forum said anything about a real war against Turkey, Qst. only threw a poll with suggestions and consequences towards a war.
EVERY living armenian knows it is impossible to go against a war with Turkey, if fight we must fight intellectually,smart and togheter with the power of the word. turkey can't hold up for ages , someday they will crack and recognise, it's a matter of time i already told this.
Second, legerdemain is absolutely right. You living in the USA cannot imagine what muslims are doing to other people here in Europe, about this issue there is no question about the fact i suppoter legerdemain 200%.
And, like Qst.( yes i support him in this one) told you, there was peace and everything in Armenia till LTP opened up his stupid voice.
Armenia is going into the right direction, but some people don't want that, just like you.
And claiming that armenian dispora were the main cause of the bloom of armenia's economy is not entirely true. Someday if my parents, your parents, get old( or myself)
they will go back to armenia to live their life there, i'm sure your mom or dad has told you they would move back.
If that happens/ and it will / ( when old Artasam armenians immigrate back to armenia) , the economy will have another boost. So if your saying R; Kocharian did shit, ( ican agree, but if you say LTP did more than R. Kocharian, i disagree.
And if you don't put up a correct and nice answer( cuz i never cussed you or said anyhting bad) then,
i'm threw about this topic.
Your turn 818.
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LK82
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LK82 I told you this guy's a freak. Now was he worth your time?
This guys a plant sent in by LTP and his cronies to rile up and get Armenians killed for stupid reasons.
Oh and he goes to college AND works. Wow! He's the only one that does that! :roll: |
Naw youre right, I dont regret it but he wasnt worth it.
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818zTrUeSt
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Whats the point in me responding if all your going to do is insult me? Yea and for your lazy ass cunt information Dr. P, I'm one of the only ones that writes 1,644 words on this given single subject.
All i hear from you guys is, his crooked.
GO to Armenia if you care so much.
He left Armenia hungry.
You never go any deeper than that.
By the way, since I can't edit posts, I forgot to add this:
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| 818s why are you in America? Get out of my country Stop sucking the benefits from this country. I bet you get toshak...that's my tax money. I'm practically paying your apartment bill. Go back to Armenia and fight for Levon there. |
All this unprovoked insults for supporting Levon? Wtf is wrong with you? Inch toshak? What are you talking about? I'm no criminal. And i don't think you even have the slightest of ideas how and what criminals do in America. That's always the easy response. Inch apartment? I have welfare? looooooooooooooooooooool. Wow. I think you and your crazy speculations need to get a life loser. :thefinger:
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Dude wtf are you talking about, even when somebody points out your flaws in an intelligent conversation, you go on your rants.
Youve lost all credibility on this site.
Either hush, or leave.
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818zTrUeSt
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Dude wtf are you talking about, even when somebody points out your flaws in an intelligent conversation, you go on your rants.
Youve lost all credibility on this site.
Either hush, or leave. |
Really, i didn't know i was full of so much flaws, and you guys were perfect. Nice try thought.
P.S. Just becausea monkey taught you a word (rant), doesn't mean you can use it three times on me and think your impressing anybody. Thats pathetic. Of course, you would want the real Armenians to leave. Thats what karabaxtsi rats would like yourself would want.
If you guys are blatantly telling me that what happening in March 1&2, in direct result of K&Sz did not set back Armenia's democracy 20 years, than your the one with flaws. So go ahead, change the Armenian Planet forums and lock me up bit**! How bout you answer my questions. The ones i quoted. Can you please that for me?
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Dr. P™
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| Nice of you to use personal attacks now that you've been defeated. Nice going, douche. Stick to primitive debates, such as which cereal is better.
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LK82
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(Un-bann 818ztruest from my attention span)
Are you still talking to me?
I wont answer your questions because you keep talking like a nut while spewing propaganda, you never came here speaking about truth, since the situation escelated in Armenia youve been spreading propaganda on this site, Ive already explained myself to you, if you dont agree with me that doesnt mean I should agree with you.
(Bann 818ztruest from my attention span)
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818zTrUeSt
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| Nice of you to use personal attacks now that you've been defeated. Nice going, douche. Stick to primitive debates, such as which cereal is better. |
I have been defeated? Since when was I in a contest of victory? Was i running for some sort of position? It would be quite foolish of me to think i could change your mind. That is not my aim. I know i cannot change your mind because you are Armenian. And being an Armenian means you are always right in what you say, and the person with an opposing view is wrong. [& the Soviet Union is the Greatest Nations in the World, cant say i don't hear that from ol' timmers] How can i believe anything you say, when its usually less than 5 sentences. You say he is corrupt, his killer, he wants to destroy Armenia, and you don't back it up. At least i give an explanation on my thoughts. Do i have an agenda? Not really. It's just that when you guys post such stupid threads like ""Is "Levon Ter-Petrosians" wife a JEW?"", "LevonTer-Petrosyan a Jewish Zionists" , "Islam is cancer" , ""Every Armenian soldier should always be prepared for w" , and the bloggers like, "legerdemain" , "Xenophobia88" , "Die Levon Die" , "Deport Levon to hell" , try portray Levon Ter-Petrosyan in an unfair way. So yea, im going to post against your ass. It would be like a Southerner attacking Abraham Lincoln, or a Loyalist attacking Washington. You have to defend what you believe is right. When i say this, it goes for me to, it doesn't really matter what you think. Your vote doesn't count because you don't live in Armenia. You might have relatives and friends that live their, maybe thats why we get involved. Now you are probably thinking, yes i won! We'll if you think you won, you are wrong. Why are you wrong? Because Armenia is going backwards on democracy and rule of law. The same way radical fanatics like Dr. P insult me, they do it 100xXx more worse in Armenia. They'll kill you. They don't have a problem in doing that. Trust me or not, you could be one of their closest friends, you cross their ideology, your dead. You know, you kind of had me fooled in the beginning LK82, i thought you were serious about the debate, but you got cocky in the end. So you showed your real side. But somehow, i've lost credibility? How can i loose credibility if you never even believed one word i said from the beginning? And are my feeling supposed to get hurt by your post your hubris?
Moving to Dr.P, you are a very interesting fellow. You actually fascinate me with your post. You throw this fake ass facade, when your posting. I only wish you could see the grin on my face every time i read your post. :D You want to talk about resorting to personal attacks? Okay, lets examine what you haters have posted about me. Look at what i've been called.
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Levon dick sucker, go to your gay ass HHC meetings and discuss how Levon's sperm tastes like, at least Kocharian fought in the war killing azeri's and was not plundering everything. |
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are you donee sucking Levon's dick yet, 818s? dont forgett to wipe yor mouth |
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818 treust is a fag
go suck levons dick |
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All the rest of you are phony armenians, like you 818 youre a phony armenian, instead of for example trying to speak to that armenian about why he might not believe in your religion, or seeing that even though he doesnt, this guy is an activist for Armenian rights, you decide to talk shit, youre a dumbass, and if you ever said that shit in front of my face id slap the color off your face and be able to answer for it as well. |
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I didnt read any of the bullshit you wrote, cuz youre an idiot, and dont call me *beep* unless you want me to come over and fudge someones mother. |
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I couldn't care less about what a putz like you thinks, 818zTrUeSt and you're not in a position to approve or reject my being Armenian. |
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Dr. P™
You also like Levon Ter-Petrosyan, which really brings up a good question. Are you REALLY an Armenian? If you like Levon then you also enjoy the destruction of Armenia. |
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By the way, you're a doofus. Everytime I write something in this thread, it makes me feel dumber. Your skills are not upto par with mine, so the only thing you have is cheerios and that is why I have more knowledge and skills in my left pinky than you have in your entire body. Child. |
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818zTruest you live in a fantasy world, kid.
I cannot change the mind of a cult follower, so enjoy being stuck in a rat hole and hopefully you have the ability to give Levon a nice back rub since you love him so much.
Now go fucc yourself. |
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818s why are you in America? Get out of my country. Stop sucking the benefits from this country. I bet you get toshak...that's my tax money. I'm practically paying your apartment bill. Go back to Armenia and fight for Levon there. |
Your telling me about personal attacks, "douche"
Now to you LK82 or Qstr8TwoCA or whatever alias you want to hide under tomorrow. I honestly think you have reading, analyze and interpreting deficiencies.
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| And if you get off topic again I’ll call you out on it like I always have. |
If you would have carefully read my first paragraph, let me repeat it again just in case if your slow, if you would have read my first paragraph, you would have read this, keep this in mind...
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| I like to first start of by stating that I do not intentionally cram so much information into one post. Its just that sometimes when i really get into a subject, i start wondering of to history as an example, and i try to coherently connect it as a precedent to the current situation. I have a lot of fans, such as Dr.P, who claim that "I think I'm smart and know everything." Well, I don't know everything. I use logic, and come to my conclusions that i tell you guys. Take little look inside my mind. |
Now be a big boy like Dr.P, and connect the dots. I gave you a heads up that i wonder of into Armenian history, and try to connect it to present situation. Unfortunately, you didn't understand, or either Dr.P, because i have been defeated! 
You guys read my comments and only attack the info that semi-relates to the point. Who are you trying to impress or lie to? Since you guys are incapable of responding back to a "?" every time you see it, I'm going to number my questions to you like how they do in elementary. You forget LK82, i wanted you to call me out on my flaws. Why do you have so much pride in it? Remember when i wrote this....
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| I really enjoy your opinion and to debate somebody that actually questions me in a serious manner, and has different positions. BY you questioning me, I feel it makes me review my position, and see were my flaws on my stances are. And if I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge it. |
You got cocky and broke the trust. Lets try again with numbers and no "bad words." Can you do that for me partner? You've read the quotes above, and for me not be cursing in every sentence left to right at this point, say what about me? You decide? THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. (Thanx guys, now i have to highlight, change colors, underline, bolden letters becuasse you guys have difficulty connecting the dots.)
1. So what do we do knowing we can't realistically go to war against Turkey? Economic/military/blockade forever?
2. Dr. P states that all President and Prime ministers, "Kocharian is the president, he has every right to have a mansion. Last time I checked, all presidents and prime ministers of countries (Including the U.S.) live like kings. " Achknowelging that statement, why do you feel that this remark can only be applied to Kocharian, but not to Levon? Why is it okay for Kocharian to live in a manson, but "im forgeting Levon's Soviet manison? Is this a flaw of Dr.P?
3. Was his son the guy in charge of the monetary exchange rate of the dram, guess who gets the lope hole tax money? Did LTP sell the nuclear power plant, coerce the sell of all major diamond, coal, gold companies, and the nationalized train railways?
4. What do you think about October 27,1999? Who was behind it? Is it wierd that they improsined the judge of that case and burned all teh archives?
5. He is now has a divided population that strongly resents his legitimacy as president. You might love him, put a lot of people in Armenia don't. How is he going to govern, knowing there is at the very least, assuming government figures to be true, over 230K people who voted for LTP, says he is the rightful president?
*6. New Question - If LTP is a masonic jew, why did the jews of Armenia endorse Serzh Sarkisyan? LTP has Jewish masonic connections, what went wrong? http://www.armtown.com/news/en/prm/20071130/29230/
These 5 points were made that you completely ignored in your response. You tell me your hopes about Armenia and what Serj might possible do for Armenia, but you failed to answer my questions. So now I'm calling you out. Look at your flaws. I hope i don't sound mean, and I'm not saying that in a sarcastic way, unlike you. Please answer my questions with numbers.
P.S. Hey Dr.P, how can i be primitive if your lazy ass is afraid to write more than 4 sentences? What's wrong, your 1st grade teacher didn't teach you the alphabet or how to construct a proper 2 paragraphs? Stupid ass bit** has the audacity to call me primitive debater when it can't even write more than 50 words for a post. Your a pathetic individual. I think I really mishandled you in this post Dr.P, like how a pimp does to a hoe. Don't even think about commenting back to my post. Your a worthless/lazy piece of scum shit! Expect nothing because you are nothing. KERAR ARA? hahahaheheh.
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Dr. P
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What makes you think I'm gonna read this garbage?
Writing essays does not make you any better regarding this subject.
Stop leaning away from it and admit that what you're doing is propaganda.
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Dr. P
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| PS. Go back to Armenia. I don't want you in America. Nobody wants you.
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LK82
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818ztruest.
*let me know when ur online and ill give it then*
^ thats my aim account.
Lets talk in private.
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You two stop the bickering and grow up.
You two are acting really childish.
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LK82
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Oh well I dont care really I was going to tell him what a nice guy he was.
Btw my shit list is full so he would have to take number and get in line like everyone else.
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I congratulate you on not spewing any propaganda this time, welcome to a normal conversation.
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| would strongly disagree with the statement above that you mentioned. Looking at the current trend of new video's about ISLAM he is posting, his not going to change |
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I can agree, and disagree. I can disagree because he expresses the sentiment of many Europeans, and being that he lives in Europe and experiences it first hand, I view his sentiment as more authentic. To prove that he does see some good in Muslims, he doesn’t mention anything about Muslims consolidated to their “historic lands”; in fact he completely leaves them out of his video, and instead continues his verbal assault on the Turkish government and cypress’s current president, who happens to be a Christian.
I’ve said before that I won’t align myself with his views; I find them too extreme and full of anger, just as I found your statements of some Armenians who voiced their dissatisfaction with their Christian religious beliefs.
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| Have you ever even had a gun pointed at you? Have you ever been shot? Shit man, this ain't no joke. War is not some sort of freakin game. I can't stand it sometimes when Armenians start talking about "Invading Western Armenia." You guys can't even get your shit straight in your 28,000sq km land. |
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Who are you referring to? You continue with your anger rants, you’re ranting. I will assume that I am in some way being included in your statement above. I assume, because I have stated on this site that I would go and fight to defend Armenia if ever a war escalated. I lose sleep at times when I hear or read about an attack on Armenian soil, because unlike some, I do want to defend my country, and I will, with or without you’re condolence.
I also do know how to hold a gun, I also know how to shoot different kind of guns, and it angers me to think that you can sit behind your computer and once again begin with your hate rants about what you think the modern Armenian man should be compounded of.
At the same time you want me to respect you’re opinion.
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| Can somebody tell me why 20 years after the 88' earthquake, we still have people living in those temporary Soviet trailers? There refugees in their own city. How about we start spreading the government money across to the places that really need it, like the other cities and villages. It's fuc*ed up that Yerevan is slowly starting to look like Paris, and our villages are 60 years back in technology. They don't even have toilets in most parts of Armenia, outside of Yerevan. Is this the Armenia you want? Why hasn't the Great President K. done something about this problem? Why the hell are we spending 480 million on our military, and spending crackers and chips on our other cities and towns. Why is Vanadzor, even worse off than Gyumri? You need to let the people live, allow them to open up business, and inspire innovation. Thats why you need a liberal party like HHSh, and a liberal preisent like LTP, and not a communist-socialist like Kocharian. (Which till this day i haven't seen him make a cross on April 24.) |
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I thought you were going to post something that was opposite to what I agree with.
You took a conversation about Legers hatred of Muslims, into a conversation about =
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| Before Armenians, who lived in those land? Do you know? Many tribes came and went on the Eastern Anatolia region. The Turks have been living in those lands for over 900 years. They spilled blood conquering and defending it when it was in their possession just like the Armenians, Byzantines, Romans, Mongols, Persians, and everybody else that governed that region. So i don't think thats a good point to make to anybody outside your race, because they look at your face as say"wtf." And you will definitely not get any sympathy from the Turks. 900 years, thats not a month or year they have been living in Anatolia. Do you know why Azerbaijan claims Karabax and Armenia to be apart of their historic territory? In 1828, when the Russians invaded Persia and capture what is the region as we know the Caucasus, their was only 30 thousand Armenians living in that land |
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Historical borders have been drawn and redrawn for centuries. The point is not only about who holds current power and holds the magic marker for such drawings. The point is in the recognition of the A.G.1915. The point is in this. You argue that Kocharian has committed crimes against the people of Armenia and should receive his due diligence.
I agree. Where is your sense of judgment when it comes in questioning the unethical and brutal behavior of Armenia’s neighbors towards Armenia? They should also acknowledge their misdeeds; this decade’s long struggle of views should be questioned in a public forum, with either side concluding to an outcome once and for all.
Once again the problems lies in the hands of those who control Armenia, and those who want to control Armenia from the outside.
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| Let's get back and talk about the dream of going to war with Turkey in the near future. How can you even imagine thinking about going to war with Turkey? |
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Who are you talking to, how is this response to my previous post, when I never mentioned anything about a war with Turkey. Again, you’re on a self righteous over eager ranting session. Why should Armenia go to war with Turkey and would we win or lose is not the question. The question is how far backwards we can bend.
Turkey dealt a lethal blow to Armenians in 1915 with the A.G. And yet today, decades later, we live in an era where we hurt with the memory of this tragic event. Asking for an apology is being translated as pondering war.
Should I remove my desire for the recognition of the slaughter of my ancestors, my blood-line, to which I know the names of those who were killed during the Armenian genocide, simply because I fear a great Turkish empire. I’ll tell you what I fear much more than the Turkish Empire, and that’s the another A.G. 1915. History will always repeat itself, and mankind will always look to its past for guidance into the future. It’s called precedence, you see it in courtrooms, and you use it in every day life. War is not a solution, it is a problem which prevents a solution, and it is a problem which will throw the progress of our country back another 100 years if ever happened today. War will make us a guaranteed 3rd world country for another century if not more. Yet, at the same time, we should not be afraid of war, and we shouldn’t promote the idea of failure in the face of war either.
Let Armenia enter into serious negotiations with Turkey and Azerbaijan. We can find a diplomatic solution and co-exists. Giving up more of our lands will be a slap in the face of an already wounded human being. The scars of the genocide run deep my friend, and some things are worth dying for.
I have some hopes in regards to what Serzh can do for Armenia. I have no reason to agree with LTP or the things he is suggesting. The fact that he has apologized doesn’t make me a part of his crew. Sometimes people apologize only when they either need to or stand to gain something. If LTP was so sincere about his apology, why did he wait so long to make it public? Armenians have been thru some very difficult years since his departure. Many people could’ve used his help, and I admit he could have been very useful to our country. There is too much corruption in Armenia; many of us know the conditions this criminality is causing on our people. And I also acknowledge that the condition we are in today is a slow progress from the worse condition we were in 15 years ago.
You’re worried about the direction Armenias headed in? The only reason Armenia is divided right now is because of LTP. Armenia was many things a few month ago, divided was not one of them. There were/are many organizations made up of very successful business men from Armenia, EU, and America who have been brain storming on ways to improve Armenians economy. Where have you been, all LTP has done right now is halt any progress they have made. Its turned a once understandable government into an unstable part of the region. We don’t know what will happen, investors will flee, those who had intentions to invest will not, they will wait to see what this current upheaval will leave in Armenia at the end. Mark my words, LTP is not the answer Armenia needs, and what LTP has done has hurt Armenia in the long run. I don’t need to respond to you in a matter of days, ill respond to you like I do always, on the spot and ready to talk, go back to your thinking pad. And if you get off topic again I’ll call you out on it like I always have.
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Don-Sevak
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(Un-bann 818ztruest from my attention span)
Are you still talking to me?
I wont answer your questions because you keep talking like a nut while spewing propaganda, you never came here speaking about truth, since the situation escelated in Armenia youve been spreading propaganda on this site, Ive already explained myself to you, if you dont agree with me that doesnt mean I should agree with you.
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i told you this guy was only spreading propganda on this forum and you did not believe me back then ^^...
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Don-Sevak
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Let me respond one 1 thing.
the fact that there is no democracy is due to the fact that vultures like LTP would enjoy the fact of regaining power. UNtill bastards like LTP don't die or immigrate to other places the situation will never change.
LEt me remind you that Armenia is still in state of war met AzerGAYjan, if we would have a democracy, it would leed to the fact that the Stipvatz Zinvorutyun would be lifted up,. With only a professional army and a great opportunity to be invaded by the Azeri side.
We are surrounded by enemies, a democracy is out of hand and would not help, even if the govn. is crooked, they make sure Armenia still exists, I bet Levon would even sell armenia to make his big black bricked house a little better.
I'm trough with the propganda , you don't interest me, you only look at this subject in a non-objective way.
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LK82
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i told you this guy was only spreading propganda on this forum and you did not believe me back then ^^... |
Hetgeen inblikken mij zeggen. Jou are erg perceptive beginnend mens. (Hows my Dutch coming along?)
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Don-Sevak
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Hetgeen inblikken mij zeggen. Jou are erg perceptive beginnend mens. (Hows my Dutch coming along?) |
EEuhmz, your first sentence "Hetgeen inblikken mij zeggen" doesn't make any sence, don't know what you mean by that :D ... and it's Jij bent ( You are) ----perceptive( never use that word) and beginnend mens means ( beginning human being)
Gotta admit nice try, but i think it's to difficult to learn, and it's utterly usless,... that stupid language 
I'd prefer more english instead of freaking Dutch..
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Don-Sevak
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Video not available anymore, why was there a picture of ltp?
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