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Twitch
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Armenian Americans do not know how to read or speak armenian, yet alone know the alphabet. I personally am an armenian american and I can do just about anything with the armenian language but nowadays if you ask the armenian next to you to fluently say the alphabet they won't even get halfway (I've tried this). Armenian's are a generation filled with culture and life but Im beginning to think that the armenian americans are forgetting about their culture (excluding xorovats).
Any thoughts on this guys?
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Smot_Poker
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Yes. STFU.
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piiineapple
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| Smot_Poker wrote: | | Yes. STFU. |
LOL deuce.
I'm an Armenian American and I'm illiterate in Armenian. Honestly, I wish I did know how to read and write in my native language. My parents never took me to an Armenian school nor did they take any time to teach it to me when I was young. I didn't want to take it in High School because I didn't think I would learn anything. Hopefully someone in the near future can teach me.
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exxx248
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Well when your parents are out trying to make things better for you, trying give you a better life here and all that American hyped up BS its pretty hard. They cant afford those gay faggetty ass Church schools that charge $10000 a month just to teah you. Hell they cant afford the $100 one either. experience poverty and see how it holds you back. i have the oppurtunity now but im passing I have other goals atm. i got the money for it yea and would love to learn it but nows not the time to catch up with culture.
Culture is evovling everyday. Go to Armenia it ain the same place it use to be 10 years ago most likley.
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OnlyLesPaulsPleez
The Camper
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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I agree with everyone above me, i was born here and i cant read or write but i can speak Armenian. I think growing up, you learn what is necessary, it was only necessary to earn to speak, i never did anything that required me to read or write. Call it sad if you like but for us that were born here, its not as simple as making a choice to learn. For those that did learn it, im sure it was done when you were young, and because you had to. No kid at a young age decided to learn to read or write a language "for the sake of culture". So just because you learned when you were a kid, doesn't mean you should toot your horn at those of us who didn't have to.
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Brigad@
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Been here 13 years English is not a problem for me whats so ever, and so is not Armenian. If anyone who forgets there own language, that's just a shame. I'm not talking about the ones who were born here.
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PlanKash
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Been here 4 years or something from Armenia. Know perfect armenian obviously.
The key to keeping a culture alive is learning the frikkin language. Learn to read and write and we will survive.
Majority of diaspora cannot sadly, thats like 3 million people who cannot read or write armenian.
Thats like 40% of All Armenians not knowing Armenian. :|
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
The Camper
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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My folks have been doing hard labor since they came to America, almost 25 years ago.
While they were working hard labor and raising 3 kids, they managed to put us through classes.
I have 3 siblings, all of us can read and write in Armenian because we went to Armenian Saturday school and because my folks were very persistent with this.
If the parents don't care to teach or to provide the means, the children will not grow up knowing the language, and will sooner or later shrivel away into American life.
What most people also don't realize is that they are being transformed from Armenian to American, just by not knowing the Armenian language.
It starts from the language and 2-3 generations down the line, all is lost.
This is fine for some, I'm not bagging on anybody, but what I don't like seeing is apathetic people.
People who WANT to be American because it's so much easier. Just like everything else that is packaged and ready for you to consume in America, so is the culture.
So buy up people, buy up.
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Sepulchral
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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I can read and write Armenian.
Quite well actually.
I'm just embarrassed to speak because I have an accent I guess. ;/
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PlanKash
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| CalmLikeA_Bomb wrote: | My folks have been doing hard labor since they came to America, almost 25 years ago.
While they were working hard labor and raising 3 kids, they managed to put us through classes.
I have 3 siblings, all of us can read and write in Armenian because we went to Armenian Saturday school and because my folks were very persistent with this.
If the parents don't care to teach or to provide the means, the children will not grow up knowing the language, and will sooner or later shrivel away into American life.
What most people also don't realize is that they are being transformed from Armenian to American, just by not knowing the Armenian language.
It starts from the language and 2-3 generations down the line, all is lost.
This is fine for some, I'm not bagging on anybody, but what I don't like seeing is apathetic people.
People who WANT to be American because it's so much easier. Just like everything else that is packaged and ready for you to consume in America, so is the culture.
So buy up people, buy up. |
10000% Agree.
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
The Camper
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| piiineapple wrote: | | Smot_Poker wrote: | | Yes. STFU. |
LOL deuce.
I'm an Armenian American and I'm illiterate in Armenian. Honestly, I wish I did know how to read and write in my native language. My parents never took me to an Armenian school nor did they take any time to teach it to me when I was young. I didn't want to take it in High School because I didn't think I would learn anything. Hopefully someone in the near future can teach me. |
Why would you concur with smot_pokers lame response, and then go and say that you wish you knew how to read and write in your native tongue?
The person posting is obviously passionate about this, and you all must go on and bash the fck out of the person for being passionate about a subject you don't give a damn about?
If you were as smart as some of your posts seem to be, you wouldn't agree with the brainless bashing of smot_poker.
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| Sepulchral wrote: | I can read and write Armenian.
Quite well actually.
I'm just embarrassed to speak because I have an accent I guess. ;/ |
You shouldn't be embarrassed at all. My Armenian is very broken up and very Parkahyeish, but I can still read like a monster and write somewhat decent.
This should empower you for knowing more then one language, especially Armenian, which isn't the easiest.
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MootMek
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| Sepulchral wrote: | I can read and write Armenian.
Quite well actually.
I'm just embarrassed to speak because I have an accent I guess. ;/ |
you should hear my armenian accent. Its a mix of russian/rabiz slang, parskahye and sometimes even beirutsi. Especially when Im speaking to a hayastanci who knows their shit, my nerves get to me 
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| exxx248 wrote: | Well when your parents are out trying to make things better for you, trying give you a better life here and all that American hyped up BS its pretty hard. They cant afford those gay faggetty ass Church schools that charge $10000 a month just to teah you. Hell they cant afford the $100 one either. experience poverty and see how it holds you back. i have the oppurtunity now but im passing I have other goals atm. i got the money for it yea and would love to learn it but nows not the time to catch up with culture.
Culture is evovling everyday. Go to Armenia it ain the same place it use to be 10 years ago most likley. |
Poverty is a lazy man's excuse.
My father works for a trash company for crying out loud, and I make more money then him presently.
My mother has been sewing all her life.
It isn't poverty, but they never stopped moving forward and progressing, especially with making sure their children are well educated.
You also say : Now is not the time to catch up with culture...
From the look of your avatar, I'm assuming you're a gamer.
You don't have time to catch up with your own Armenian culture, but you have time to partake in American video game culture?
Is it cause video games are a lot easier then keeping your Armenian culture alive? Prolly.
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| Smot_Poker wrote: | | Yes. STFU. |
Go ahead and keep poking smot, see where this will get you in life.
Instead of praising this person for sticking up for culture, education and knowledge, you have nothing to say but a 4 letter acronym?
Go ahead and meld away into American culture. My children will gladly put your children to work one day since their parents were too lazy.
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Smot_Poker
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| Sepulchral wrote: | I can read and write Armenian.
Quite well actually.
I'm just embarrassed to speak because I have an accent I guess. ;/ |
Only way of getting over the accent is by speaking it more often. I still kinda have one.
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| MootMek wrote: | | Sepulchral wrote: | I can read and write Armenian.
Quite well actually.
I'm just embarrassed to speak because I have an accent I guess. ;/ |
you should hear my armenian accent. Its a mix of russian/rabiz slang, parskahye and sometimes even beirutsi. Especially when Im speaking to a hayastanci who knows their shit, my nerves get to me |
Eench guhses gor?
Axchi, hla meehat aree stee eyaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Eench es asooooooooooooooom?
Mix it up and enjoy it while it lasts. If I was to base the Armenian people's longevity solely on this site, we'll be gone tomorrow.
And yeah,speaking with a Hyastanci is difficult for me sometimes as well, too many big Armenian words, too fast.
I still got love for everybody though.
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Twitch
The Camper
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| OnlyLesPaulsPleez wrote: | | I agree with everyone above me, i was born here and i cant read or write but i can speak Armenian. I think growing up, you learn what is necessary, it was only necessary to earn to speak, i never did anything that required me to read or write. Call it sad if you like but for us that were born here, its not as simple as making a choice to learn. For those that did learn it, im sure it was done when you were young, and because you had to. No kid at a young age decided to learn to read or write a language "for the sake of culture". So just because you learned when you were a kid, doesn't mean you should toot your horn at those of us who didn't have to. |
Im not calling the people who didn't learn how to read or write armenian sad. Im calling the future of the armenian culture sad because well.... I doubt that any culture will remain.
And for your information, it was my choice to go to armenian school on Saturdays, not my parents. All my cousins in Armenia would always send me their letters written purely in armenian and my mom would have to translate it for me. Thats why I decided to go to armenian school. Just my 2 cents.
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PlanKash
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian.
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MootMek
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
saying a russian word everyother word is correct armenian?
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Brigad@
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| MootMek wrote: | | PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
saying a russian word everyother word is correct armenian? |
Yes.
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PlanKash
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Well depends on what you mean by Hayastanci.
By Hayastanci I mean what I speak. Which is what I was taught in Armenia, thus the term Hayastanci.
Which is correct Armenian! I don't use Russian words or any other words..
People who use Russian words are speaking street Armenian, which is like slang.
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MootMek
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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to lavvv eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bratttttttttttttt
:D
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LetsTakeALittleTrip
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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lol i went to armenian school for 5 years all i did was smoke and eat chips ...
i did not learn anything
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
Hold on....
Hayastanci is not correct Armenian.
There are 2 dialects, eastern and western, therefor there is no correct Armenian.
I didn't say parskahye is a language, I said I speak Parskahyeish, which I'm not all too proud of either because it's infested with Farsi words, this much I know my friend.
I didn't say speaking hyastanci is hard, I meant speaking with some who is Hyastnci is difficult sometimes because a Paraskhye person's Armenian is not as strong as someone that actually comes from Armenia.
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CalmLikeA_Bomb
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| CalmLikeA_Bomb wrote: | | PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
Hold on....
Hayastanci is not correct Armenian.
There are 2 dialects, eastern and western, therefor there is no correct Armenian.
I didn't say parskahye is a language, I said I speak Parskahyeish, which I'm not all too proud of either because it's infested with Farsi words, this much I know my friend.
I didn't say speaking hyastanci is hard, I meant speaking with some who is Hyastnci is difficult sometimes because a Paraskhye person's Armenian is not as strong as someone that actually comes from Armenia. |
Oh if you want REAL Armenian, go learn Ghaghapar.
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Brigad@
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| CalmLikeA_Bomb wrote: | | CalmLikeA_Bomb wrote: | | PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
Hold on....
Hayastanci is not correct Armenian.
There are 2 dialects, eastern and western, therefor there is no correct Armenian.
I didn't say parskahye is a language, I said I speak Parskahyeish, which I'm not all too proud of either because it's infested with Farsi words, this much I know my friend.
I didn't say speaking hyastanci is hard, I meant speaking with some who is Hyastnci is difficult sometimes because a Paraskhye person's Armenian is not as strong as someone that actually comes from Armenia. |
Oh if you want REAL Armenian, go learn Ghaghapar. |
Of course this is coming from someone who went to Armenian school for 5 years, and didn't learn squat. Plus he just said 8 English words, and 1 Armenia word. Take his advice everyone.
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MootMek
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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brigada, the guy actually made a lot of sense.
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Smot_Poker
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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Think of the two major dialects Aremetahayeren and Arevelahayeren as the Old and New Testaments. One is the original (Aremetahayeren) and the other (Arevelahayeren) is and updated version. The major difference between the two are the pronunciations of some letters in the alphabet. Such as Dz for example. Arevelahayeren has 3. Dz, Ts and C. C being the most harsh/profound pronunciation. Whereas Aremetahayeren has only 2. C and Dz.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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PlanKash
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Thu Jul 02, 2009
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| CalmLikeA_Bomb wrote: | | PlanKash wrote: | How is speaking with a hayastanci hard?
And don't say Parskahye, like it's a real language..It's just WRONG Armenian.
"Hayastanci" is CORRECT Armenian..there's no choice. Either you speak correct Armenian or wrong Armenian. |
Hold on....
Hayastanci is not correct Armenian.
There are 2 dialects, eastern and western, therefor there is no correct Armenian.
I didn't say parskahye is a language, I said I speak Parskahyeish, which I'm not all too proud of either because it's infested with Farsi words, this much I know my friend.
I didn't say speaking hyastanci is hard, I meant speaking with some who is Hyastnci is difficult sometimes because a Paraskhye person's Armenian is not as strong as someone that actually comes from Armenia. |
Armenian, the official language of the republic of Armenia, is what correct Armenian is. How do you say Armenian (Hayastanci) is not correct Armenian? Ughh.
The reason there are dialects is because the people who are in another part of the world, are slurring their words and using abnormal suffixes and accents and other words from Turkey or Farsi, and this makes it wrong!
Eastern Armenian is correct Armenian, I don't see how you think otherwise.
Who defines correct? The government of-course! And what language do the schools in Armenia teach? Eastern Armenian, no russian words, no farsi words, just clear and clean Armenian.
And Karabagh dialect is something different X(
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