didnt feel the need for me to provide a definition for you, considering leftfoot provided one and thought u were smart enough to look it up ur self
You do realize we posted almost word for word the same definition right? That just sounds suspiciously like a frantic afterthought.
Furthermore, what you say is so cryptic as it is -- half of what I respond to is subject to heavy interpretation; All I said was IF you were insinuating I wasn't listening (which you very well could have been given the linguistic structure) I was saying that's funny. I suppose I'm reading what you're saying with a more keen eye than necessary.
Why did freedom of speech even come up? Let's not get off topic...no where did I say you can't hold your own beliefs and opinions, let alone not share them -- I was merely commenting that your adamant attachment to them is what makes you closed minded. I'm calling it stubbornness because in the place of reasons, you have "facts" that have no basis in reality -- let me give you an example:
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most insanity cases are just an excuse for those who want to get out of what they did. but ill give u that one.
And you know this because...of your innumerable friends who've been tried for murder, whom all plead insanity? That's sarcasm by the way. I think you watch too much Law & Order, or whatever TV show you're getting your facts from.
You're entitled to your beliefs, it's just healthier and smarter to discover them on your own; part of that means educating yourself, and looking for alternative perspectives to further solidify your own -- not shutting down anything that doesn't resemble yours.
Not to get in the middle of your discussion, but my definition was the complete definition. You only posted the first part because it went along with what you were saying. The part that followed did not go with what you were saying.
I'm just sayin.......
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
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both of your definitions were similar, but the slightest change in words can change the whole meaning.
Yes, it can -- but no, it didn't.
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i dont surround myself around criminals or people who tend to get in trouble, due to the fact that ive worked to hard and long to get to where i am today. one judgement or suspicion of criminal activity, and i could have everything work related taken away from me. therefore i keep myself in a orderly manor no matter where i am.
Like I said, I was being sarcastic -- my point is, you don't know any murderers so there's no way for you to make an extreme generalization about their reality; saying that they all plead insanity as an attempt to avoid a more severe punishment. Whether you have time to watch TV or not, I was essentially pointing out you have no basis for that claim. Which as I've said before, is my whole point.
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You only posted the first part because it went along with what you were saying. The part that followed did not go with what you were saying.
I'm just sayin.......
I left it out because it was in reference to the church, and the subsequent moral system -- that wasn't relative to my point; so you're right, it did not go with what I was saying -- but it certainly didn't go against it either as you're implying.
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RELIGOUS implies that there is RELIGON, no????
Being religious, inasmuch as divine beliefs govern moral conduct, result in a system of ideas that shape how you perceive the world. A religion is a collection of people with the same religious beliefs, generally governed by the ecclesiastical hierarchy.
Like someone said before -- you can be religious, insofar as you believe in god and pray for example, yet not be part of a religion; unless you want to get extremely technical and say that just creates your own personal religion.
So the short answer is, No -- religious does not necessarily imply there is a religion. That's why the definition didn't reference the ecclesiastical system reference as a requisite.[/youtube]
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myleftfoot Supreme Member
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
Religious:
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man.
3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.
–noun 6. a member of a religious order, congregation, etc.; a monk, friar, or nun.
7. the religious, devout or religious persons: Each year, thousands of the religious make pilgrimages to the shrine
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HyeMaintenance Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 171
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
joseph anonymous wrote:
so i am a white guy who looks armenian with ukrainian heritage, but i only speak english. i see lots of beautiful armenian girls at la valley college, and i would love to date one, but it seems like they don't go for non-armenian guys. how would i find one to go out with?
go to Armenia, i'm sure if they find out your a Citizen they'll want you
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
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Religious:
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man.
3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.
–noun 6. a member of a religious order, congregation, etc.; a monk, friar, or nun.
7. the religious, devout or religious persons: Each year, thousands of the religious make pilgrimages to the shrine
I'm glad you can copy paste. What you listed are all definitions of religious -- yet they aren't all a requisite for being religious; you clearly are missing that point. Notice definition 3 for example; there isn't even a mention of a church, or religion.
The concept of "religious" does indeed relate to religion, but it's not indicative of being a part of a religion in the colloquial sense. Besides, I already suggested if you want to be technical -- you could have your own religion.
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myleftfoot Supreme Member
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
I think that if you are religous, you are part of a religion.
Otherwise, if you are not part of a religion, and you believe in a higher power, you are considered spiritual.
These are after all just labels. And they are, after all just our opinions.
And, notice how #4 is the only definition that does not mention religion or church. There are 6 others that do.
If you would like me to, I will type word for word instead of copying and pasting. Would that please you, you smug little guy???
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Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
I consider spirituality to have nothing to do with divine presence -- therefore, I disagree with that "label." And for that reason, an individuals belief in a higher power remains religious -- just not necessarily part of a religion.
Of that list -- only #2 and #4 explicitly mentioned religion (or going to a church) as a definite requisite for being religious. While #3, #5 explicitly describe something capable of existing with the absence of a church or religion. #6 is the exact same as #4, except that it's the definition for it as a noun, making it moot; while #7 is just defining someone who has any of the other qualities listed in the definition.
That makes 2 of 5 directly reference religion as a requisite, 2 of 5 explicitly describe something without a religion, and 1 definition (#1) is the colloquial definition -- which is in general, the only one people bother to know.
You do realize that any of those can mean Religious -- and that by already admitting that some of them didn't mention church or religion, you're crediting my whole argument. This isn't a linguistic democracy -- the most uses of a word don't invalidate the other uses of it. I'm simply using the word in a broader sense, saying it doesn't necessarily imply a religion...
I never said it definitively had no relevancy to religion.
(sidenote: Copy paste as much as you want, I was merely referencing that you didn't even offer your own thoughts -- you just bolded what you thought supported your point)
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myleftfoot Supreme Member
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
I had already stated my thoughts. I only needed to post the definition and bolded parts to get accross what I am saying.
I kinda skimmed through the rest of what u wrote because I lost interest in this topic a while ago.
You be right. I'll be wrong. Deal?
That is all.
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Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
lol my point was we were both right -- had you read the tail end of what I'd said.
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Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
Even better. Now we both win.
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818zGaTeKeEpEr Supreme Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 453 Location: 818
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
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both of your definitions were similar, but the slightest change in words can change the whole meaning.
Yes, it can -- but no, it didn't.
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i dont surround myself around criminals or people who tend to get in trouble, due to the fact that ive worked to hard and long to get to where i am today. one judgement or suspicion of criminal activity, and i could have everything work related taken away from me. therefore i keep myself in a orderly manor no matter where i am.
Like I said, I was being sarcastic -- my point is, you don't know any murderers so there's no way for you to make an extreme generalization about their reality; saying that they all plead insanity as an attempt to avoid a more severe punishment. Whether you have time to watch TV or not, I was essentially pointing out you have no basis for that claim. Which as I've said before, is my whole point.
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You only posted the first part because it went along with what you were saying. The part that followed did not go with what you were saying.
I'm just sayin.......
I left it out because it was in reference to the church, and the subsequent moral system -- that wasn't relative to my point; so you're right, it did not go with what I was saying -- but it certainly didn't go against it either as you're implying.
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RELIGOUS implies that there is RELIGON, no????
Being religious, inasmuch as divine beliefs govern moral conduct, result in a system of ideas that shape how you perceive the world. A religion is a collection of people with the same religious beliefs, generally governed by the ecclesiastical hierarchy.
Like someone said before -- you can be religious, insofar as you believe in god and pray for example, yet not be part of a religion; unless you want to get extremely technical and say that just creates your own personal religion.
So the short answer is, No -- religious does not necessarily imply there is a religion. That's why the definition didn't reference the ecclesiastical system reference as a requisite.[/youtube]
it might of not through ur eyes but i saw different meanings between the two.
first you were saying that i was basing my thoughts on the bases of what my friends were doing when they were tried for murder, and now your saying that your point was; that i dont know any murderers and i im just generalizing. which one was you original thought? pick it and stick to it.
question: if one doesn't believe in a higher power or religion, what would they praying to?
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Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
In regards to your question -- some people pray to their ancestors. I'm still not sure why you brought up praying, but whatever.
I have multifaceted arguments, with numerous points being made. If you're unsure of what I was trying to say at this point, that's just your inability to decipher it; reread if you'd like, but I'm through. No need to beat a dead horse
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Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
ok id like to know how a topic on dating suddenly evolved to religion lol? can we please just stick with the original topics at hand??
LOVE_EXPLOSION Supreme Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 576
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
guest111 wrote:
ok id like to know how a topic on dating suddenly evolved to religion lol? can we please just stick with the original topics at hand??
Armenians duh
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Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
I have multifaceted arguments, with numerous points being made. If you're unsure of what I was trying to say at this point, that's just your inability to decipher it; reread if you'd like, but I'm through. No need to beat a dead horse
"multifaceted arguments"? lol wow. u changed your thought because you knew you were wrong and i was right, u did that to cover ur a##. remember me telling you that u fold to quickly on your thoughts in a different post? this is a example of that. lol if u like, i can hand you your a## a piece at a time or as a whole. the choice is yours.
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Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
lol you're not going to bate me into another argument -- think what you want. If you want me to make random stuff up, have no foundation for my claims and belligerently attack you (as you've been doing to me) so that I appear to stand by my "thoughts" ... you're barking up the wrong tree -- I'm not Armenian, remember?
Get some class 818zGaYeKeEpeR.
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myleftfoot Supreme Member
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1124
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
lol you're not going to bate me into another argument -- think what you want. If you want me to make random stuff up, have no foundation for my claims and belligerently attack you (as you've been doing to me) so that I appear to stand by my "thoughts" ... you're barking up the wrong tree -- I'm not Armenian, remember?
Get some class 818zGaYeKeEpeR.
A couple times now you have insulted Armenians. First of all, it makes you seem pretty closed minded. And also, you are posting on an Armenian forum and you are not Armenian. Which is fine. But if you seriously think you are going to recieve respect from a culture by insulting them, you are not as smart as you try and come across. The more I read your posts, the more I get the feeling that you think you are above people. Your big words don't make you better than anyone.
In a previous post I said I liked you and thought you seemed open-minded. I think I'll reconsider.
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818zGaTeKeEpEr Supreme Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 453 Location: 818
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
lol you're not going to bate me into another argument -- think what you want. If you want me to make random stuff up, have no foundation for my claims and belligerently attack you (as you've been doing to me) so that I appear to stand by my "thoughts" ... you're barking up the wrong tree -- I'm not Armenian, remember?
Get some class 818zGaYeKeEpeR.
i think what i want, on what i want, ive made that clear so far. i dont make stuff up and my thoughts are based off of facts. the only reason for you to feel "attacked" is because you yourself realized how shady of you it was to switch up your thoughts and opinions about me, after the fact that i proved you wrong. i know very well that your not armenian, and thats not an issue with me. and i dont see how being armenian or not has anything to do with were discussing.
naw buddy, i think u got it twisted. ive never referred to by anything other then ur name or said anything foul about you. and for you to refer to me as 818zgaYekeeper, i think thats a lil low on your behalf.
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Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Thu Oct 09, 2008
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i think what i want, on what i want, ive made that clear so far. i dont make stuff up and my thoughts are based off of facts. the only reason for you to feel "attacked" is because you yourself realized how shady of you it was to switch up your thoughts and opinions about me, after the fact that i proved you wrong. i know very well that your not armenian, and thats not an issue with me. and i dont see how being armenian or not has anything to do with were discussing.
naw buddy, i think u got it twisted. ive never referred to by anything other then ur name or said anything foul about you. and for you to refer to me as 818zgaYekeeper, i think thats a lil low on your behalf.
First and foremost -- 818zGaYekeeper was a typo; I didn't even realize that until you pointed that out (actually kind of funny, in a 4th grade humor kind of way) but I apologize none the less.
Secondly, (this is why any sort of rational debate doesn't work all that well with you) you make claims and then don't support them; here, I'll do it to you to give you an example:
"You're just mad that I'm better than you are, and I always will be."
This is a statement that has no grounded proof, or basis in reality. Two example of a statement like this of yours (directed towards me):
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I dont make stuff up and my thoughts are based off of facts.
[quote]...the only reason for you to feel "attacked" is because you yourself realized how shady of you it was to switch up your thoughts and opinions about me, after the fact that i proved you wrong.[quote]
Here's a hint -- if you want someone to listen to what you're saying, it's widely acceptable (that's sarcasm again) to tell them the reasons why; for example... if you're basing your thoughts off facts -- how about you share some of those facts? If you "proved me wrong" (in this battle of opinions LOL gotta love that irony) why not reference some things I said that you countered with compelling reasons and evidence? If I switched up my one and only (that's sarcasm again) point... why not show me some quotes of where I contradicted myself. This is what intelligent debate consists of -- not arbitrarily saying whatever you feel, with no proof.
Thirdly, I feel attacked because of you saying things like:
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u changed your thought because you knew you were wrong and i was right, u did that to cover ur a##. remember me telling you that u fold to quickly on your thoughts in a different post? this is a example of that. lol if u like, i can hand you your a## a piece at a time or as a whole. the choice is yours.
You're criticizing something you apparently are perceiving (even though like I mentioned, it has no basis in reality because you haven't referenced any proof or reasoning) and the belligerent tone results in me considering it an attack -- therefore I retorted and told you to get some class...I was enjoying this thread; I like debate.
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A couple times now you have insulted Armenians. First of all, it makes you seem pretty closed minded. And also, you are posting on an Armenian forum and you are not Armenian. Which is fine. But if you seriously think you are going to recieve respect from a culture by insulting them, you are not as smart as you try and come across. The more I read your posts, the more I get the feeling that you think you are above people. Your big words don't make you better than anyone.
In a previous post I said I liked you and thought you seemed open-minded. I think I'll reconsider.
Look. Just because I have a larger vocabulary, or different more liberal (and firm) beliefs -- doesn't mean I think I'm better than anyone else; nor have I ever explicitly said anything that should suggest that.
It's depressing if you think I'm insulting Armenians, as my sole purpose of being here is to learn more and potentially contribute to healthy evolution. The only thing I've ever insulted (or rather, frowned upon) is narrow-minded thinking, ethnocentric discrimination and intolerance -- yes some Armenians have those qualities, that doesn't mean I'm insulting Armenians. That's like saying I don't like food, because I said I don't like tomatoes.
What you think of me is your own business. If you think I'm closed minded, so be it -- I find that extremely hypocritical, but you apparently find me disrespectful. You seem to think I'm trying to act a certain way here -- I don't use big words for any other reason than I find them to be the most accurate linguistic unit for the thoughts I'm trying to express... I'm not trying to look smart, I'm trying to communicate the best I can.
I actually find it humorous that what I've done is present evidence, alternative views -- support independent thinking and personal evolution... and what happens? I'm the one that's called closed minded.
Say what you want -- I've shared all I wish to on the aforementioned matters, and this thread as a whole.
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geeva New Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2008 Posts: 9
Posted Thu Oct 09, 2008
mr8bala wrote:
joseph anonymous wrote:
im not nerdy douchebag. im just a white guy who wants to date an armenian girl. my grandfather was born in ukraine aka part of russia, that's why people think i look armenian. can anybody serious answer my question
IM SORRY BUT IM JUST GNA TELL U THE TRUTE N THE TRUTE IS THAT I DNT THINK ANY ARMENIAN GIRL WOULD EVER DATE A NON ARMENIAN GUY THATS JUST WHAT I KNOW TRY JEWISH GIRL THEY R PRETY CUTE TOO 8)
Well i'm not Armenian and the only race of girls that I have dated were Armenian..
so i am a white guy who looks armenian with ukrainian heritage, but i only speak english. i see lots of beautiful armenian girls at la valley college, and i would love to date one, but it seems like they don't go for non-armenian guys. how would i find one to go out with?
