Muslim Armenians?

bigbadantofrmboorjhamoot · New Member Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 5

abooshes?....seriously....how can u go from not believing in god..u were probably born christian, since ur armenain and then u descided to turn into an athiest and then to islam...ur athiest u dont believe in god...so y are u trying to be religous now?...anyway the reason armenians dissapprove of islam and and athism is because we fought for centurys to remain christian so many sacrificed there lives so u can pray to jesus...one good example is the battle of avarayr...and all you atheists make it seem like they died in vein

Jade D'Angelo · New Member Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 6

Now, basically, I think that belief and religion are private things and every person should practice and follow them according to the way he/she feels is right. But what I find noteworthy is that throughout their entire history Armenians were the subject of persecution, violence and genocide, because of the fact that they were Christians and therefore impossible to be assimilated. So, during those 16 centuries, millions of people had given their life in the name of God. And exactly during those 16 centuries it was this one Christian religion that has preserved them as a nation. Now, in peaceful times, when we are finally free, we decide to just give it up. I don't judge anybody. I find it just plain sad.

catturolalunacunafuna · Member Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 250

Ahhh, at last I am in Europe. Sorry for disappearing for so long. I have been very busy with my preparation, dear friends.

Payam, I return.

EXTREMAL · Posted: 08/09/07

Have you read Koran at least once?

Surah 1. The Opening
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

Guest · Posted: 08/10/07

I find the koran to be a beutiful book in ways that it is sacred just like a christian Bible,the torah any sacred book for that matter but I do beleive alot of these books were translated differently,I am spiritual but not religiouse but these books fasanate me,The catholics are molesting little boys,The jews are starting wars ,and the Muslims have become suicide bombers so all religions have miis interpreted or change the book for there own radical purposes that is why I choose not to be religiouse

Guest · Posted: 08/11/07

hope not

Guest · Posted: 08/11/07

a muslim · Guest

peace to all of you, armenian or not, muslim or not

before i proceed i would like to clarify the difference between a nationality and religion
Nationality simply depends on your origins, where you were born or your parents, your culture language music etc...
As God tells us in the Holy Quran Al-Hujurat (The Dwellings)- 49-13

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."

Just imagine how boring it would be if we were all one of a kind...

Now religion is something that is misunderstood very often. I would like to make few points here:

1- We all believe in God, and there is one God for all of us and yet we have many different religions. Is that what God would want? no. We human beings create these different ways of worshiping the same God.

2- A word "muslim" does not mean arab, paistani, turk, malasian, russian etc.... It derives from a word Islam--Peace, and means that the one who submits to one God is at peace. It could be am arab, a chinese, an indian, english or armenian. All prophets of God worshipped Him alone and they were all muslims.

3- When you talk about "muslim who blows himself up"... That particular person does not really represent Islamic faith. People were misinterpeting things from beginning of time. There are many "muslims" who do not follow their faith and yet they preset themselves as muslims. Every community has black ships. It does not mean that the real message is bad. Ex: in today's USA there are thousands of members of white religious supremacy power groups like KKK who would like to kill all non whites but it does not mean that Jesus peace be upon him propagaded that kind of message. Hitler was also a "christian"....

I think if anyone wants to REALLY know about Islam the best way is to read the Quran and not watch CNN, as simply as that. And then after they can discuss what they have read.

4- As i mentioned before any believer in onnes of GOD is muslim (i have explained that word above). Jesus Christ peace be upon him did not bring a new message but came as a warner to the Israeli tribe which had gone astray. He came to support the old existing message from GOD. Just like Muhammad, peace be upon him did not bring a new message but came as a warner to all mankind and to support the previous revelations, ...just like all the prophets before them.

5- The name "Christianity":

The real name of Jesus peace be upon him is Iso in old aramaic and old hebrew, or Isa in arabic.
The word Christ means Messiah.

When the old texts were first translated into old greek Iso became Isus, and Messiahin greek is KHristos or Christ. Isus Khristos = Jesus Christ simply means Jesus the messiah. Name "christianity" derived from Christ....or the followers of CHrist. Was Jesus a christian or did he believe in one God?
Many names that we know today are the english versions of greek translation of the real semitic names.

To finish this up since this can be a very long explanation i would like to thank you all first for your patience and open heart if you are still reading.

To user "Lillith": You are an armenian, it is your nationality not belief and you can also read the Quran and follow it if you find peace in it. As Quran says:

"2:256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

There are hundreds of thousands of converts like greek who is today a very good muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf. Nationality is not really important in Islam. What connects people is their belief in one God. There are Chinese, russian, malasyan, irish, french.....etc muslims, you can always research why

To other user who thinks that armenians in Turkey "have no choive but to lie about their religion and identity" i suggest to visit Turkey and speak to hundreds of thousands armenians who go to armenian schools, learn their language, practice their religion in their churches and have same freedoms as any other citizen.

I would stop here
Thank you for reading and Peace be upon you or Assalamu aleykum[/i]

JustAFront · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 165

Hello,
Allow me to introduce myself for the time being strictly as Quester.
I have heard many times before similar comments like yours below, from friendly and at times unfriendly members of the Islamic faith. Although I myself am not as informed to the details of Islam, I can say to you that my Christ and Father are not the same as your
Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) and Allah, which is if you are a Muslim. Please do not interpret them to be the same, because I accept it to be an insult.

The word Muslim does, and does not mean many things is what I have been told by an Iranian Christian "WOMAN" who use to live in Iran and has recently moved to Florida.

I didnt understand why you didnt write about the 100 or so definitions of the word Islam, also that one of many definitions of this word is to be submissive not only to Islam but to the followers of this faith.

a muslim · Guest

Assalamu aleykum or
Peace be upon you

TO: Quester

Quesster82 · Guest

I would debate you. But my debating sessions on this forum are over and I could really care less.

But since you chose to quote me……

I would pick America over Saudi Arabia any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

And there are cities in many parts of the world that are not safe from gangs or violence towards women; I’m not sure why you're only bringing it in contrast with Saudi Arabia.

There is a difference between Shia, Sunni, Immams, the Persian belief of Islam, and so on? But they are still Islam. If anyone is confused about Islam it’s not their fault but the fault of the followers of Islam itself.

Yes I have heard of these 100 definitions of the world Islam from a handful of people, not many. What’s interesting is that I quoted just one phrase from the lady who came from Iran. But you think that everything I have said has come from her influence...you are terribly wrong...Do your own research from now on and “peace be with you as well”.

"We have been hearing that Islam is a religion of peace, and in fact that Islam means peace. Both of these assertions are in error. Islam means submission. Check with any good Muslim dictionary and "submission" will be the definition of Islam. Redefining the word Islam is an attempt to deceive people about the real nature of Islam.

The argument is made based upon the idea that the Arabic word salaam means peace. The word "Islam" shares a common root with salaam, therefore Islam means peace also. It is true that Islam and salaam share a common root, but according to the dictionaries, they do not mean the same thing.

According to A Basic Dictionary of Islamic Words by M Zakiuddin Sharfi, Islam means, "Submission or resignation to the will of Allah, completely. He does not define salaam, but does note that one of the ninety-nine attributes of Allah is as-Salam, meaning "The Peaceful One’

A common greeting is Arabic is "as-Salam-u’Alaikum." This means "Peace be upon you." It is easy to see that it is not Islam, but Salam.

Do not be deceived by claims that Islam means peace. It means submission. Islam has always been a religion of violence.

Notice the teaching of the Qur’an:

"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. (Qur'an 8:37-39)
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. (Qur'an 2:193)
"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)
"For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)
Notice the teaching from the Hadith:

"You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) (Hadith, 4363)
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Hadith Sahih 4366)"

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-not-peaceful.htm

Quesster82 · Guest

The 100 names of Allah.

http://www.geocities.com/ahlulbayt14/99.html

Guest · Posted: 10/30/07

To Quester:

Assalamu Aleykum

First you say that you can care less but then you write a lot of bad things about Islam.

YOu also do not read properly my replies. I mentioned before that we worship God alone and that submit only to Him. Through that submission one achieves peace within. ....I dont even see a point of you arguing about Islam and Salam

NOW, since you started it!!!

YOu are saying that

Quesster82 · Guest

God be with you.

I promise you I have no hatred towards the Muslim Religion.

But I do have a problem with people who use the religion of Islam as a "front" for War, recruiting soldiers, and killing innocent people.

I'm sure you have noticed that there are many violent Islamic movements who thrive on the idea of holy war, when in reality there is nothing holy about war.

I feel the same for any Christian movements that exist in the world.

As proof that I have no hate towards to you, I offer some music that might be to your liking, I hope you enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtG5s9YdeI - Ya Taiba

Quesster82 · Guest

Quesster82 wrote:

I would debate you. But my debating sessions on this forum are over and I could really care less.

But since you chose to quote me……

I would pick America over Saudi Arabia any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

And there are cities in many parts of the world that are not safe from gangs or violence towards women; I’m not sure why you're only bringing it in contrast with Saudi Arabia.

There is a difference between Shia, Sunni, Immams, the Persian belief of Islam, and so on? But they are still Islam. If anyone is confused about Islam it’s not their fault but the fault of the followers of Islam itself.

Yes I have heard of these 100 definitions of the world Islam from a handful of people, not many. What’s interesting is that I quoted just one phrase from the lady who came from Iran. But you think that everything I have said has come from her influence...you are terribly wrong...Do your own research from now on and “peace be with you as well”.

The above are my words.
The below is a copy paste from another website, I had put the link at the bottom.

"We have been hearing that Islam is a religion of peace, and in fact that Islam means peace. Both of these assertions are in error. Islam means submission. Check with any good Muslim dictionary and "submission" will be the definition of Islam. Redefining the word Islam is an attempt to deceive people about the real nature of Islam.

The argument is made based upon the idea that the Arabic word salaam means peace. The word "Islam" shares a common root with salaam, therefore Islam means peace also. It is true that Islam and salaam share a common root, but according to the dictionaries, they do not mean the same thing.

According to A Basic Dictionary of Islamic Words by M Zakiuddin Sharfi, Islam means, "Submission or resignation to the will of Allah, completely. He does not define salaam, but does note that one of the ninety-nine attributes of Allah is as-Salam, meaning "The Peaceful One’

A common greeting is Arabic is "as-Salam-u’Alaikum." This means "Peace be upon you." It is easy to see that it is not Islam, but Salam.

Do not be deceived by claims that Islam means peace. It means submission. Islam has always been a religion of violence.

Notice the teaching of the Qur’an:

"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. (Qur'an 8:37-39)
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. (Qur'an 2:193)
"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)
"For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)
Notice the teaching from the Hadith:

"You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) (Hadith, 4363)
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Hadith Sahih 4366)"

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-not-peaceful.htm

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Muslim&Armenian · Guest

I am proud to be Muslim AND Armenian. I have never felt a need to hide either identity.

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Dr. P · Guest