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OdarAnonymous
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.....about Armenian people would it be that they hate?
I joined this forum less than a month ago to learn more about the Armenian people, plea, culture, what have you. People in this country don’t learn about other cultures that aren’t directly linked to American history without doing research on their own; which is what I set out to do. This is what I’ve learned thus far:
1. Armenians are a very close-minded culture about a lot of things not just ethnicity
2. Armenians like to fight amongst themselves as well as others
3. Blind hatred is okay in certain circumstances (please refer to the recent black bashing threads and compare to the “loving your enemy” thread in order to understand what I mean by that. If your care to of course)
4 .Armenians don’t want non-Armenians to empathize
5. Armenians want to continue to isolate themselves in world where they aren’t alone
That is what I’ve learned on the negative side. Positive things I’ve learned:
1. Armenians (some) are smart
2. Armenians are ambitious
3. Armenians are helpful to one another
I am not saying this to be offensive if anyone has taken offense. I’m merely commenting on my experience as a non-Armenian member of this forum. As you can see the negative things learned outweigh the positive. By the way, I’m not talking to those who do not care what people think about their people, I’m talking to those who do. Those who understand that hate becomes hate and that one cannot ask for respect when one does not give it.
Sure it’s only been very specific individuals who are the culprits of the hate lobbing but where are all those who don’t agree with it? There were a lot of responses on the “loving your enemy” thread but no one really ever says anything when threads like the “global female hotness”, “the love/hate countries”, and the “bus fight” continue on for days and days. Yes this is an online Armenian community but whether you like it or not how you deal with the people around you is important.
I appeal to the AP community for answers. Some, or a lot, of you may feel that I don’t deserve answers or feel that one person cannot speak for the Armenian people as an entirety but I’m interested in reading your responses. I wasn’t raised in an environment where this kind of stuff is okay so I don't understand. It might be “American mentality” but I like it. I’d rather be taught to love than hate. Does loving someone unlike me make me any less proud of who I am? No. There is a well defined line between pride and hate.
I’m just one person whose view has changed some in less than a month. Just imagine all the other people out there who feel the same without even trying to understand. Who blindly hate Armenians without cause. Is this what you want? Racism will always exist but the question people should ask themselves as INDIVIDUALS is, “do I want to be part of the problem?”
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PlanKash
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: |
1. Armenians are a very close-minded culture about a lot of things not just ethnicity
2. Armenians like to fight amongst themselves as well as others
3. Blind hatred is okay in certain circumstances (please refer to the recent black bashing threads and compare to the “loving your enemy” thread in order to understand what I mean by that. If your care to of course)
4 .Armenians don’t want non-Armenians to empathize
5. Armenians want to continue to isolate themselves in world where they aren’t alone
That is what I’ve learned on the negative side. Positive things I’ve learned:
1. Armenians (some) are smart
2. Armenians are ambitious
3. Armenians are helpful to one another
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The cons are specific with Armenians while the pros can be said about any race or ethnicity.
You have not learned anything.
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Starlight
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that's cool you want to know more about others...and I agree with you..this country..you don't learn much .unless it has to do with US history..
If you truly want to know Who Armenians are, maybe you should read books about Armenians, their history, their art, their culture, about their famous/talented writes, musicians, poets, scietists, surgeons. Look at our history, the past, what we went throught, the great warriors we had, there are many things you can look at..
Those are true Armenians, Armenia, our land..
getting to know Armenians on a forum where the majority of the population are high school kids..who grew up here and have somewhat of the American culture in them.
There are some who are lame and obnoxious and really ignorant and there are some here who are very intelligent and bright ppl...
Every race has the Good and the Bad..we all know that,.such as .igonrant ..racist and close minded...
I don't know...there is just a lot you dont know about Armenians and will never know since you are not an Armenian yourself. I personally wouldn't come to an assumption about a race jsut by interacting with kids on a forum.
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MaratMilano
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This forum is really a horrible representation. Most of the level-headed Armenians on AP are embarrassed by some of the ruhtards that post and voice off on here.
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OdarAnonymous
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| Starlight wrote: | that's cool you want to know more about others...and I agree with you..this country..you don't learn much .unless it has to do with US history..
If you truly want to know Who Armenians are, maybe you should read books about Armenians, their history, their art, their culture, about their famous/talented writes, musicians, poets, scietists, surgeons. Look at our history, the past, what we went throught, the great warriors we had, there are many things you can look at..
Those are true Armenians, Armenia, our land..
getting to know Armenians on a forum where the majority of the population are high school kids..who grew up here and have somewhat of the American culture in them.
There are some who are lame and obnoxious and really ignorant and there are some here who are very intelligent and bright ppl...
Every race has the Good and the Bad..we all know that,.such as .igonrant ..racist and close minded...
I don't know...there is just a lot you dont know about Armenians and will never know since you are not an Armenian yourself. I personally wouldn't come to an assumption about a race jsut by interacting with kids on a forum. |
I get your point and it is a good one. Of course there are things that I will never fully understand but I think that learning is wise especially where I live. I know I will not gain historical knowledge from this forum. This is merely social.
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Kid.A
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| MaratMilano wrote: | | This forum is really a horrible representation. Most of the level-headed Armenians on AP are embarrassed by some of the ruhtards that post and voice off on here. |
The idiots outnumber the level-headed folks though. I actually consider this site to be quite an accurate representation of the youth in Glendale, as sad as that is.
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TheOneNonly
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| PlanKash wrote: | The cons are specific with Armenians while the pros can be said about any race or ethnicity.
You have not learned anything. |
Wudddup brotha...+1 on its way 
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OdarAnonymous
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| PlanKash wrote: | The cons are specific with Armenians while the pros can be said about any race or ethnicity.
You have not learned anything. |
I did not join this forum with any of these impressions in mind. After working at at Armenian owned company for 4 years I had nothing but positive thoughts. Like I said, these are not ideals that I am used to so in a way I did learn.
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Starlight
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | | I get your point and it is a good one. Of course there are things that I will never fully understand but I think that learning is wise especially where I live. I know I will not gain historical knowledge from this forum. This is merely social. |
Yeah, well in that case if you want to know how teenagers are than this is great, but as for culture and all ..history, you really won't know in here.
Sometimes I wish I went to school in Russia, or Armenia or some European schools where you actually do learn about other countries, you know more about the world..going to school here(high school) is basically BS compared to some other countries.
Basically it is up to you to educate yourself about other countries/races...the more I learn and experiene the more I realize I don't really know much about many things..
it's always good to have an open mind
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TheOneNonly
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | .....about Armenian people would it be that they hate?
I joined this forum less than a month ago to learn more about the Armenian people, plea, culture, what have you. People in this country don’t learn about other cultures that aren’t directly linked to American history without doing research on their own; which is what I set out to do. This is what I’ve learned thus far:
1. Armenians are a very close-minded culture about a lot of things not just ethnicity
2. Armenians like to fight amongst themselves as well as others
3. Blind hatred is okay in certain circumstances (please refer to the recent black bashing threads and compare to the “loving your enemy” thread in order to understand what I mean by that. If your care to of course)
4 .Armenians don’t want non-Armenians to empathize
5. Armenians want to continue to isolate themselves in world where they aren’t alone
That is what I’ve learned on the negative side. Positive things I’ve learned:
1. Armenians (some) are smart
2. Armenians are ambitious
3. Armenians are helpful to one another
I am not saying this to be offensive if anyone has taken offense. I’m merely commenting on my experience as a non-Armenian member of this forum. As you can see the negative things learned outweigh the positive. By the way, I’m not talking to those who do not care what people think about their people, I’m talking to those who do. Those who understand that hate becomes hate and that one cannot ask for respect when one does not give it.
Sure it’s only been very specific individuals who are the culprits of the hate lobbing but where are all those who don’t agree with it? There were a lot of responses on the “loving your enemy” thread but no one really ever says anything when threads like the “global female hotness”, “the love/hate countries”, and the “bus fight” continue on for days and days. Yes this is an online Armenian community but whether you like it or not how you deal with the people around you is important.
I appeal to the AP community for answers. Some, or a lot, of you may feel that I don’t deserve answers or feel that one person cannot speak for the Armenian people as an entirety but I’m interested in reading your responses. I wasn’t raised in an environment where this kind of stuff is okay so I don't understand. It might be “American mentality” but I like it. I’d rather be taught to love than hate. Does loving someone unlike me make me any less proud of who I am? No. There is a well defined line between pride and hate.
I’m just one person whose view has changed some in less than a month. Just imagine all the other people out there who feel the same without even trying to understand. Who blindly hate Armenians without cause. Is this what you want? Racism will always exist but the question people should ask themselves as INDIVIDUALS is, “do I want to be part of the problem?” |
This forum is very closed, dear OdarAnonymous. Most people here don't use their real names for a purpose...to express opinions that they wouldn't feel too comfortable about expressing in real life. That means what you see here is MOST LIKELY something you won't see among Armenians in real life. The reason why you get harassed so much (if you wanna call it that) is because by being on this forum you are infiltrating into a society that has been closed for thousands of years due to specific reasons. Imagine walking up to someone and demanding they tell you about their life, how comfortable you think they would be with that, and how nicely would you be treated?
Don't make assumptions based on this source of observation  And keep in mind, this is ethno-specific site/forum...Don't expect that warm of hospitality.
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MaratMilano
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| Kid.A wrote: | | The idiots outnumber the level-headed folks though. I actually consider this site to be quite an accurate representation of the youth in Glendale, as sad as that is. |
The youth of any nationality aren't much smarter by an average. Mexicanplanet, Blackplanet, Hinduplanet, Belgianplanet wouldn't exactly have higher mean IQ's than this one. This idiocy just hits a nerve with us because Armenian kids are morons in regards to stuff thats relevant to our culture, so it seems more embarrassing to us to share an ethnic pride with them.
That being said, the internet does allow for some crazy stuff to happen and people to be whoever they want to, so its inevitable that a forum will have predominantly half-serious members.
and Devil a plus one for that...couldn't have explained it better.
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OdarAnonymous
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| MaratMilano wrote: | | This forum is really a horrible representation. Most of the level-headed Armenians on AP are embarrassed by some of the ruhtards that post and voice off on here. |
| Kid.A wrote: | | The idiots outnumber the level-headed folks though. I actually consider this site to be quite an accurate representation of the youth in Glendale, as sad as that is. |
If you feel this way, why do you let them saturate the site? Anyone who searches "Armenian anything" can view this forum and first impressions are important. I'm not saying everyone out of the woodwork should join this site and so on and so forth but it's off-putting. If I were to have clicked the link and come across these threads months ago I wouldn't have joined. Which I'm sure some are happy to know but I also would have been left with a certain impression. If I had no other interactions with Armenians and I were a generalizing dullard then I would have been left with a negative impression.
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MaratMilano
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | | If you feel this way, why do you let them saturate the site? Anyone who searches "Armenian anything" can view this forum and first impressions are important. I'm not saying everyone out of the woodwork should join this site and so on and so forth but it's off-putting. If I were to have clicked the link and come across these threads months ago I wouldn't have joined. Which I'm sure some are happy to know but I also would have been left with a certain impression. If I had no other interactions with Armenians and I were a generalizing dullard then I would have been left with a negative impression. |
I know what you're saying here but...frankly I couldn't care any less about the integrity of this site and what it does for Armenians. I hold responsibility in representing myself. People can make fools of themselves but they more so kill their own credibility rather than their peoples'.
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*Shamiram*
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | | If you feel this way, why do you let them saturate the site? Anyone who searches "Armenian anything" can view this forum and first impressions are important. I'm not saying everyone out of the woodwork should join this site and so on and so forth but it's off-putting. If I were to have clicked the link and come across these threads months ago I wouldn't have joined. Which I'm sure some are happy to know but I also would have been left with a certain impression. If I had no other interactions with Armenians and I were a generalizing dullard then I would have been left with a negative impression. |
Your comments here are akin to going to someone's home for dinner and asking them why they've bought their furniture from IKEA and not, say, Ethan Allen....
Besides, do YOU, as a representative of African Americans, have any say over how blacks behave in the ghettos, for example? (to pick on the most stereotyped images intentionally here)... Like Marat said, we are only responsible for ourselves. You, or any other non-Armenian coming to this site is at full liberty of making any and all assumptions about our culture based on the representation you see here. You see the scum; you also see the absolute opposite. Do come to the appropriate conclusions.
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OdarAnonymous
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| TheOneNonly wrote: | This forum is very closed, dear OdarAnonymous. Most people here don't use their real names for a purpose...to express opinions that they wouldn't feel too comfortable about expressing in real life. That means what you see here is MOST LIKELY something you won't see among Armenians in real life. The reason why you get harassed so much (if you wanna call it that) is because by being on this forum you are infiltrating into a society that has been closed for thousands of years due to specific reasons. Imagine walking up to someone and demanding they tell you about their life, how comfortable you think they would be with that, and how nicely would you be treated?
Don't make assumptions based on this source of observation And keep in mind, this is ethno-specific site/forum...Don't expect that warm of hospitality. |
I don't feel harassed I just feel a lot of the topics are unnecessary. If a person can't own their ideals in their everyday life, doesn't sat say something?
As for it being a "closed community" I can understand what you mean I just don't see why a curious person would meet with such responses. After all when people move to a different place, they're bound to be met by curiosity. I didn't join to pry into the personal lives of Armenians everywhere. I joined with a very specific question in mind.
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TheOneNonly
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | | If you feel this way, why do you let them saturate the site? Anyone who searches "Armenian anything" can view this forum and first impressions are important. I'm not saying everyone out of the woodwork should join this site and so on and so forth but it's off-putting. If I were to have clicked the link and come across these threads months ago I wouldn't have joined. Which I'm sure some are happy to know but I also would have been left with a certain impression. If I had no other interactions with Armenians and I were a generalizing dullard then I would have been left with a negative impression. |
I searched a couple of times about subjects that in America most associate with the black (I dont really think African American is a term that is very representative of black folks, so excuse me for not using that) folks...I came across forums where these boys and girls ages 14-32 boast about the ghetto, the clique they are from, how rotten poor and dirty their lives are and how it suits them...how they commit crimes and all...mind you, i wasnt looking for that. I wouldnt just go..
Hypothesis: Black people live in the ghetto, are in gangs, commit crimes, take pride in that.
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*Shamiram*
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Adv., see my post above lol
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TheOneNonly
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| *Shamiram* wrote: | | Adv., see my post above lol |
Totally missed it dear. Great minds..... 
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TheOneNonly
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | I don't feel harassed I just feel a lot of the topics are unnecessary. If a person can't own their ideals in their everyday life, doesn't sat say something?
As for it being a "closed community" I can understand what you mean I just don't see why a curious person would meet with such responses. After all when people move to a different place, they're bound to be met by curiosity. I didn't join to pry into the personal lives of Armenians everywhere. I joined with a very specific question in mind. |
You'd have to know our history to be able to answer that question. And frankly.......not even most of the Armenians here know our history to be able to answer that for you.
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*Shamiram*
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| TheOneNonly wrote: | | Totally missed it dear. Great minds..... |
great minds..... indeed?
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TheOneNonly
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And because i care about how others see Armenians as.....
You won't enter the home even of the lamest asshole in this site without AT LEAST having a drink...not even talking about bbq or other homemade goodies and moonshine likka 
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OdarAnonymous
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| *Shamiram* wrote: | Your comments here are akin to going to someone's home for dinner and asking them why they've bought their furniture from IKEA and not, say, Ethan Allen....
Besides, do YOU, as a representative of African Americans, have any say over how blacks behave in the ghettos, for example? (to pick on the most stereotyped images intentionally here)... Like Marat said, we are only responsible for ourselves. You, or any other non-Armenian coming to this site is at full liberty of making any and all assumptions about our culture based on the representation you see here. You see the scum; you also see the absolute opposite. Do come to the appropriate conclusions. |
No, I've already stated in another thread that the stereotypes that govern urban black culture do not govern me and that I would not assume that for anyone here. My question was why certain things are ignored when others are not. That is why I brought up the "love your enemy" thread because it got so many responses on the ignorance of some of the the comments. I just wanted to know what others thought on the matter because after all my point of view can be skewed. As you said, Marat's statement sums it up nicely.
| TheOneNonly wrote: | I searched a couple of times about subjects that in America most associate with the black (I dont really think African American is a term that is very representative of black folks, so excuse me for not using that) folks...I came across forums where these boys and girls ages 14-32 boast about the ghetto, the clique they are from, how rotten poor and dirty their lives are and how it suits them...how they commit crimes and all...mind you, i wasnt looking for that. I wouldnt just go..
Hypothesis: Black people live in the ghetto, are in gangs, commit crimes, take pride in that.
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Quite frankly the things you stated are embarrassing and I'm well aware of them. I myself was not raised in that environment but it's not only blacks who live in the ghettos. Poor people from all walks of life live this lifestyle but I understand your point.
I respect all of the responses I've received and I'm relieved that the responses stayed tactful. I've gotten a different perspective which is why I asked because at the time, all I could think about was my point of view; which I'm not self absorbed enough to think is always flawless and without bias.
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TheOneNonly
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| OdarAnonymous wrote: | Quite frankly the things you stated are embarrassing and I'm well aware of them. I myself was not raised in that environment but it's not only blacks who live in the ghettos. Poor people from all walks of life live this lifestyle but I understand your point.
I respect all of the responses I've received and I'm relieved that the responses stayed tactful. I've gotten a different perspective which is why I asked because at the time, all I could think about was my point of view; which I'm not self absorbed enough to think is always flawless and without bias. |
+1 on its way within the next 20 minutes (its been 40 since i gave a plus to someone  )
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Tyler_Durden
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Vopshem davay stuts. Shat es xosum.
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ssatana
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Road,The
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You will have a hard time if you concentrate on the negative. After all this is a public forum Why on earth would you join this forum to learn more about the Armenian people, plea, culture and so forth.
OdarAnonymous, Armenia is nothing but pure beauty with all those historic places and unique nature. Numerous monuments of the Ancient era can be found throughout the country. Armenian fruits and vegetables are natural and delicious. Armenian food is the best! The traditional Armenian music/dance remained an important cultural factor in our community. Some famous Armenians: Martiros Saryan, Roudolf Khachatrian, Hovhannes Tumanyan, Monte Melkonian... Now go do your research. Don't waste your time on AP.
Our country has so many beautiful places to visit: Geghard, Zvartnoc, Sevan, Garni and so on. Visit Armenia and you will see the beauty of our country
For more info: contact Shamiram, TheOneNonly, PlanKash, Darky, Marat, BaAper, MakeDatMoney... They are true-blooded Armenians lol. They know a lot about their Motherland
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Where did this mooly come from?
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Darky
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I did not join this forum with any of these impressions in mind. After working at at Armenian owned company for 4 years I had nothing but positive thoughts. Like I said, these are not ideals that I am used to so in a way I did learn.
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Really? You had a good impression of Armenians but yet youre gonna allow a website(full of average 15-20yr olds) change your opinion?
Instead of sticking your nose in our business, why dont YOU do something about your own race. Start an organization, open a forum, anything.
Our greatest strenght is that WE know our weaknesses. We know what our faults are and we fight amongst ourselves to fix these problems. We dont buy guns and shoot eachother/or others(for the most part) and end up in prison.
Like someone said you dont know our history, you dont know our country.. You know nothing.
Damn GCC should offer an Armenian psych class.. Jesus. F*ck.
Ps Someone do the honors in creating a list of pros and cons of black people, for the mere purpose of "helping".
I will refrain from doing so as the possibilities of offending you are likely.
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VIXON86
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| Darky wrote: | | Quote: |
I did not join this forum with any of these impressions in mind. After working at at Armenian owned company for 4 years I had nothing but positive thoughts. Like I said, these are not ideals that I am used to so in a way I did learn.
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Really? You had a good impression of Armenians but yet youre gonna allow a website(full of average 15-20yr olds) change your opinion?
Instead of sticking your nose in our business, why dont YOU do something about your own race. Start an organization, open a forum, anything.
Our greatest strenght is that WE know our weaknesses. We know what our faults are and we fight amongst ourselves to fix these problems. We dont buy guns and shoot eachother/or others(for the most part) and end up in prison.
Like someone said you dont know our history, you dont know our country.. You know nothing.
Damn GCC should offer an Armenian psych class.. Jesus. F*ck.
Ps Someone do the honors in creating a list of pros and cons of black people, for the mere purpose of "helping".
I will refrain from doing so as the possibilities of offending you are likely. |
Exactlyyyyy!!! we always want to better ourselves and be the best. we are very passionate about life and many other things.
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Odar, if you look under the Serious & Intellectual section there is a gentleman by the name of Ara Boilozian. He's a writer, and he's displayed some quotations and sayings for all to enjoy, here is one to give you an idea :
"Armenians survive by cannibalizing themselves"
My understanding of this is that because Armenians have always been around a majority of Muslims (or displaced, huge Armenian diaspora) they need to be very fierce and on-point. In order to survive we had to be the best we could, this includes talking mad sh!t to each other to correct ourselves. Once again, this is my theory and the conclusion I've come to.
Also, don't be led astray by your workplace. There are crazy politics that go down at that place. While you sit there and work comfortably at your station, there are people scheming and plotting, politicking and one up'ing each other all of the time. What can't be said in English is said in Armenian or Farsi.
I'm not saying people are talking sh!t about you or others, or trying to do anything to harm you, but if you look a bit deeper into it, you'll see it.
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