armenians have a different mentality then other races. just because one race or group doses something that doesn't mean the rest or the world should act and do as they do.
if people start to jump off a cliff without any safety precautions, would u?
thats what ur basically saying
I think you need to re-read my post, because from the sound of what you're saying -- you clearly misunderstood what I was tying to say; I didn't mention anything about doing what other races do.
I'm talking about individualism. Equality is paramount. We are all different while all being human, which binds us to common ground. To use your backwards metaphor to help you understand my point -- if people are jumping off a cliff with no "safety precautions"...
It wouldn't matter if I'm Armenian. English. Purple. Hungry. I would ask myself, "what do I want to do?"
The whole point is -- the other people don't matter. I understand Armenians have a different mentality, but like all cultures there are outdated practices. I have no problem with people making conscious decisions about who they want to be, but the majority of ethnocentric Armenians are that way because they don't know anything else... and have no one around then encouraging change.
Maybe this is where we'd come to disagree -- but I think you can be Armenian, and gay. I think you can be Armenian, and promiscuous. I think you can be Armenian, and challenge the beliefs and values of your heritage. Just because you are born a certain way, does not mean anything about who you are, or what you believe...
trust me i embrace someone being an individual and everything, but take into consideration that we are a small culture and there arent that many of us left. if we gave up our "outdated practices" then surely there would be non of us left. if our women/men started to marry into other races and start to bread then there would be no pure blooded armenians left. everytime i see a individual who says they are armenian but doesent know the language, culture or anything about the armenian race, its like blood drips from my heart from the my "heartbreak". its like someone else said in this forum but cant remember who "our fathers and their fathers and so forth,didnt go war/battle for the newer younger generations to forget what the armenian culture stands for". also if it werent for out "outdated practices" we wouldnt of survived as long as we have.
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Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 117 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Thu Oct 02, 2008
I understand exactly where you're coming from, I just think it's an empty ideal to maintain "pure" blood -- that sounds like discriminatory close-minded bullshit to me. In what holy scripture (that's a sarcastic remark by the way) does it dictate you must have "pure" blood to uphold the values, beliefs of Armenian culture?
That is elitist. bullshit. period.
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Ridiculousaurus Member
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Posted Thu Oct 02, 2008
Just to be clear -- by outdated practices, I meant ostracizing family members and loved ones for being gay, sexually active, etc...
Honoring your culture, keeping the language alive, maintaining the worthwhile and honest values that embody being Armenian -- all that is worth saving. Not being pure blood, or marrying a non-Armenian doesn't preclude any of that.
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Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
Practice what you preach is all I have to say on this topic, for now.
818zGaTeKeEpEr Supreme Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 389 Location: 818
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
I understand exactly where you're coming from, I just think it's an empty ideal to maintain "pure" blood -- that sounds like discriminatory close-minded bullshit to me. In what holy scripture (that's a sarcastic remark by the way) does it dictate you must have "pure" blood to uphold the values, beliefs of Armenian culture?
That is elitist. bullshit. period.
how is it a "empty ideal"? and no its not stated anywhere other then most armenian minds, but its like i said before if it happens then there wont be any armenians left
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Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 117 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
There's no pure blood Filipinos left on this planet, yet that has stopped their culture from thriving; Maintaining pure blood sounds like Nazi-esque horse shit to me. I'm sorry, there's just no way around it.
It's the same thing as a young woman adopting a kid, and you trying to tell her that's not her son... or you telling me that some of my best friends aren't part of my family; Blood is thicker than water, but the heart and soul are not bound by blood ties. Being Armenian should live on the heart and soul of Armenians, not by whether or not people have "pure" Armenian blood.
I get it, there's only like 10 million Armenians -- my personal feelings on the matter would be to spread the culture, so that it lives on forever... not so that it dies with the last Armenian.
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818zGaTeKeEpEr Supreme Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 389 Location: 818
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
There's no pure blood Filipinos left on this planet, yet that has stopped their culture from thriving; Maintaining pure blood sounds like Nazi-esque horse shit to me. I'm sorry, there's just no way around it.
It's the same thing as a young woman adopting a kid, and you trying to tell her that's not her son... or you telling me that some of my best friends aren't part of my family; Blood is thicker than water, but the heart and soul are not bound by blood ties. Being Armenian should live on the heart and soul of Armenians, not by whether or not people have "pure" Armenian blood.
I get it, there's only like 10 million Armenians -- my personal feelings on the matter would be to spread the culture, so that it lives on forever... not so that it dies with the last Armenian.
well u have ur thoughts and i have mine, ima stick by my thoughts no matter what and so should u, but question for u...how will the armenian race die if we keep our culture pure and breed with one another, rather then spreading it out so then over time it will slowly start to disorganize.?
and friends are friends and family is family. to me their two different groups. family will always be there even if they hate each other but some friends tend to forget
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Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 117 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
It was a rhetorical statement, something catastrophic would need to happen for all Armenian's die. It's merely stating that if Armenians did all die, it'd be a shame if they were just something in the history books -- as opposed to having their culture exist elsewhere, and live on.
In regards to friends tend to forget -- you need to learn how to forge stronger friendships. Marriage is just a legal title; what else is a spouse other than a life long friend? If you can't keep friends, how can you expect to keep a husband or wife? There's so much hypocrisy is what you're saying.
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qutiiiee3 Supreme Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 343
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
i just think that its ok to be whatever you want to be as long as youre not a * bag sleeping around with every man youpossibly can ...same goes for men.. girls can be whores and guys can be manwhores same shitt... but some people beliee that its ok to sleep around then ok i guess that cool if you think that but i wouldnt judge their way of thinking just because they dont live by our rules. thats it thats what i thnk
818zGaTeKeEpEr Supreme Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 389 Location: 818
Posted Fri Oct 03, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
It was a rhetorical statement, something catastrophic would need to happen for all Armenian's die. It's merely stating that if Armenians did all die, it'd be a shame if they were just something in the history books -- as opposed to having their culture exist elsewhere, and live on.
In regards to friends tend to forget -- you need to learn how to forge stronger friendships. Marriage is just a legal title; what else is a spouse other than a life long friend? If you can't keep friends, how can you expect to keep a husband or wife? There's so much hypocrisy is what you're saying.
i have no problem with friends, maybe what u consider to be friends i necessarily dont, or visa versa.
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qutiiiee3 Supreme Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 343
Posted Sat Oct 04, 2008
818zGaTeKeEpEr wrote:
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
It was a rhetorical statement, something catastrophic would need to happen for all Armenian's die. It's merely stating that if Armenians did all die, it'd be a shame if they were just something in the history books -- as opposed to having their culture exist elsewhere, and live on.
In regards to friends tend to forget -- you need to learn how to forge stronger friendships. Marriage is just a legal title; what else is a spouse other than a life long friend? If you can't keep friends, how can you expect to keep a husband or wife? There's so much hypocrisy is what you're saying.
i have no problem with friends, maybe what u consider to be friends i necessarily dont, or visa versa.
ehh its find to hard real friends.. cnt trust noone these days
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Posted Mon Oct 06, 2008
Anonymous wrote:
HipHop wrote:
what are your thoughts about this subject, since its such a big one in the Armenian community.
is it right? is it wrong? would you marry one? does it matter? does it not? and so on.
I personally think it's only up to the two people in love, if they truely complete each other and meet their ends then no one or nothing should stand in their way. there have been times i sat down and actually thought about this, sometimes going from one side to the other, but at the end of the day true love is true love. people make choices for themselves, not for others, they have the right to do whatever that makes them happy, and i respect that.
I don't think there is "wrong or right" in virginity . I know how the Armenian culture is on that topic and I respect that. But this is 2008 and we do live in America. I'm not saying a girl should sleep with every guy she "has feelings for" or "is dating". But if you have been with the same guy for a long period of time and love him dearly then I don't see anything wrong with having sex. But you should alwayssssss concider the fact that you never know what is going to happen. My best friend was dating her bf for 5 years. They were High School sweethearts. She slept with him on Valentines day and thought nothing was wrong with it (I tried telling her to wait). A year later they broke up. She regrets it like crazy. I learned from her mistake. But that's just my opinion. You should just do what your heart tells you. But if you have the slightest doubt in back of your head then dont do it. Just wait till your honeymonn then you will make up for the past years lol
GOD!!! i cant stand it when people say that " its 2008" "its the 21st century" .... we know! it doesnt matter what year or time it is. 2008-9-10... doesnt mean its the years too forger your family values and become a whore! I dont believe in the as they say "papakan orenkner" but still people, were Armenian, be pure and ull be respected and loved. I know alot of people and i dont know 1 that would marry a girl whose not a virgin, so go figure, is it worth it!
*Shamiram* Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 249
Posted Mon Oct 06, 2008
Ridiculousaurus wrote:
There's no pure blood Filipinos left on this planet, yet that has stopped their culture from thriving; Maintaining pure blood sounds like Nazi-esque horse shit to me. I'm sorry, there's just no way around it.
It's the same thing as a young woman adopting a kid, and you trying to tell her that's not her son... or you telling me that some of my best friends aren't part of my family; Blood is thicker than water, but the heart and soul are not bound by blood ties. Being Armenian should live on the heart and soul of Armenians, not by whether or not people have "pure" Armenian blood.
I get it, there's only like 10 million Armenians -- my personal feelings on the matter would be to spread the culture, so that it lives on forever... not so that it dies with the last Armenian.
dino man here has just been added to my list of "evolved" armo men; welcome
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Posted Mon Oct 06, 2008
actually ridi here is not an Armenian lol...he just has a lot of interest in the Armenian culture
Ridiculousaurus Member
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 117 Location: Glendale, CA
Posted Mon Oct 06, 2008
Anonymous wrote:
actually ridi here is not an Armenian lol...he just has a lot of interest in the Armenian culture
And a fierce attraction to the girls They're just so sassy...
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Posted Mon Oct 06, 2008
i think only a narrow minded person can say " i will marry only a virgin" what a big deal? and what's the reason behind it? how you gna marry sb you dont know in bed?
qutiiiee3 Supreme Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 343
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
HipHop wrote:
what are your thoughts about this subject, since its such a big one in the Armenian community.
is it right? is it wrong? would you marry one? does it matter? does it not? and so on.
I personally think it's only up to the two people in love, if they truely complete each other and meet their ends then no one or nothing should stand in their way. there have been times i sat down and actually thought about this, sometimes going from one side to the other, but at the end of the day true love is true love. people make choices for themselves, not for others, they have the right to do whatever that makes them happy, and i respect that.
I don't think there is "wrong or right" in virginity . I know how the Armenian culture is on that topic and I respect that. But this is 2008 and we do live in America. I'm not saying a girl should sleep with every guy she "has feelings for" or "is dating". But if you have been with the same guy for a long period of time and love him dearly then I don't see anything wrong with having sex. But you should alwayssssss concider the fact that you never know what is going to happen. My best friend was dating her bf for 5 years. They were High School sweethearts. She slept with him on Valentines day and thought nothing was wrong with it (I tried telling her to wait). A year later they broke up. She regrets it like crazy. I learned from her mistake. But that's just my opinion. You should just do what your heart tells you. But if you have the slightest doubt in back of your head then dont do it. Just wait till your honeymonn then you will make up for the past years lol
GOD!!! i cant stand it when people say that " its 2008" "its the 21st century" .... we know! it doesnt matter what year or time it is. 2008-9-10... doesnt mean its the years too forger your family values and become a whore! I dont believe in the as they say "papakan orenkner" but still people, were Armenian, be pure and ull be respected and loved. I know alot of people and i dont know 1 that would marry a girl whose not a virgin, so go figure, is it worth it!
lollll ur funny but clearly u duno what year it is. ITS THE 21ST CENTURY YEARR 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELOOLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO
myleftnut Member
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 63
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
qutiiiee3 wrote:
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hi
qutiiiee3 Supreme Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 343
Posted Tue Oct 07, 2008
myleftnut wrote:
qutiiiee3 wrote:
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hi
lolll whats up with the leftnicknames im going to get one that says myleftbuttcheek or nahhhh maybe nottttttttttt
myleftnut Member
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 63
Posted Wed Oct 08, 2008
qutiiiee3 wrote:
myleftnut wrote:
qutiiiee3 wrote:
HELOOLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/b][/size]
hi
lolll whats up with the leftnicknames im going to get one that says myleftbuttcheek or nahhhh maybe nottttttttttt
maybe i will before you, maybe not, maybe i will fart within the next 5 seconds.
They're just so sassy...